EPISODE 245: ‘The Great Debaters’ with Jeff Johnson
August 20, 2025
Overview:
Released in 2007 and inspired by true events, The Great Debaters tells the story of Wiley College’s debate team in the 1930s, led by Professor Melvin B. Tolson. At a time when segregation and systemic injustice were defining forces, this small but determined team rose to national prominence, even going head-to-head with Harvard University. More than a story about competition, the film highlights the role education plays in empowerment, resilience, and giving students the courage to use their voice.
We dive into the plot and memorable moments, then run through a series of award-style categories that let us talk about teachers, iconic scenes, and even one-liners. And of course, we wrap up with the big question: what real-world lessons can educators, leaders, and communities take from the movie?
Meet Our Guest:
About Jeff Johnson:
Jeff Johnson brings over 30 years of experience in Pre-K–12 and Higher Education design, serving as a trusted voice in shaping impactful learning environments. His expertise spans referendum planning, educational programming, design, project management, and construction administration.
As Director of Educational Planning at PBK Architects, Jeff leads with a deep commitment to understanding each district’s mission and vision. He collaborates closely with stakeholders to develop next-generation learning environments that are innovative, functional, and community-focused. From concept through construction, Jeff ensures that every project aligns with both educational goals and budget realities.
Learn More About PBK Architects:
Website: https://pbk.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pbk-1/
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Twitter: https://x.com/PBKArchitects
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pbkarchitects/
Watch on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/AMwDL6eg-rMTakeaways:
- Professor Tolson shows how a teacher or mentor can push students beyond their perceived limits, instill belief, and prepare them for opportunities they may never have imagined possible.
- Winning debates required the team to challenge, support, and trust each other. Education at its best fosters collaboration, preparing students for the challenges of the real world.
The Host:
Connect with host, Kevin Stoller:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinstoller/
Learn More About Kay-Twelve:
Website: https://kay-twelve.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kay-twelve-com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kay_twelve/
Episode 245 of the Better Learning Podcast
Kevin Stoller is the host of the Better Learning Podcast and Co-Founder of Kay-Twelve, a national leader for educational furniture. Learn more about creating better learning environments at www.Kay-Twelve.com.
Our Partners:
For more information on our partners:
Association for Learning Environments (A4LE) – https://www.a4le.org/
Education Leaders’ Organization – https://www.ed-leaders.org/
Second Class Foundation – https://secondclassfoundation.org/
EDmarket – https://www.edmarket.org/
Catapult @ Penn GSE – https://catapult.gse.upenn.edu/
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From standout teachers to unforgettable one-liners, we’ll explore how these movies reflect (or totally exaggerate!) school life. Plus, you’ll get to share your own insights and experiences in education.
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